No matter what you choose to call it, it was not what the Early Church believed in. The NIV says, "shall have eternal life." 1 John 2:4 says, "The one who says, 'I have come to know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.". Furthermore, verses 39 and 40 tells us that Jesus will raise them up on the last day. In 2:1-6 John says he writes so that we will not sin, that Christ is the propitiation for our sins, and that we are to keep his commandments so as to demonstrate that we are walking in him. Christian Congregations (Christians Only), God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book, To fall from grace means to lose the atonement, the forgiveness of sins, the righteousness, liberty, and life which Jesus has merited for us by His death and resurrection. The patristic sources who deny eternal security in some way widely differ with each other in how they do it. It does not say that Christians become antichrists or that Christians lose their salvation. No matter what you choose to call it, it was not what the Early Church believed in. In verse 38 Jesus says, “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." The point of the thread was rather or not it was taught by early church fathers, and so far i have came up with No proof whatsoever that they did. In 2:12-14 he tells us that our sins are forgiven and that we have overcome the evil one. I will deal with three sets of scriptures: John 6:37-40; John 10:27-28; 1 John 2:19. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding. What more do you have to know??? 5:1). Is not God powerful enough or knowledgeable enough in his predestination to ensure that the ones whom he has chosen for salvation (2 Thess. Matt Slick is the President and Founder of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. It is the position of CARM that once a person is saved, he cannot lose his salvation. Some Christians believe that if you hold to eternal security, you are purposely promoting a license to sin. I could analyze each one and provide explanations of how they fit together, but it would not be necessary if we can find Scripture that clearly states that a person cannot lose his salvation. They are changed to Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Golden Eagles will have a slight change. Those who were indwelt by the Holy Spirit will war with their sin and not seek to abide in it. The Christian is regenerated. Christians on both sides of this argument fail to be gracious. You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world. Unfortunately, the teaching of eternal security is sometimes a source of problems within Christian circles. Therefore, we must honestly try to represent the other side properly before tackling it. Whos to know why not? In other words, are we saved when we believe or not? Re: early church fathers on lost of salvation: Augustine believed in eternal security, AKA "the perseverance of the saints." I hope this invitation to our forum to talk about this is not in violation of your rules, and that it is not offensive to you. Therefore, the best we can do is be faithful to God according to the understanding we have, treat fellow Christians with love and grace, and seek not to mislead others either into a license to sin or inadvertently advocate keeping our salvation by being good. Those who declare that they are eternally secure and then go out and sin on purpose in any manner they so choose are probably not saved to begin with since this is contradictory to what Scripture teaches. There will be more articles along this same line, to come. Citations from the early church fathers are referenced, and the references can be read online at EarlyChristianWritings.com and CCEL.org. The Early Church Father’s that I am about to share quotes from, were either disciples of the Apostles, disciples of disciples of the Apostles or one more step removed from the Apostles. With all of that in mind, I want to give you some quotes from the ECF’s regarding one tenant of Calvinism – “Perseverance of the Saints”. (John 6:37-40). You cannot lose your salvation thru sining. The one group of people who are raised on the last day are those who have been given by the Father to the Son (v. 37), who have believed on the Son (v. 40), who have eternal life (v. 40), and cannot be lost. Then how would you explain the numerous passages that say a man cannot lose his salvation??? May 9, 2012 By OC 1 Comment. There is no statement such as, "they shall never perish if they remain faithful." We can easily draw the conclusion that the will of the Father is that all who were given to the Son (v. 39) will not be lost and will be raised on the last day, but the common objection is that the will of the Father is not always accomplished. In 2:25ff he speaks of the promise of eternal life and of loving one another, etc. To settle the issue, John 6:47 says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life." "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." The context is as follows. We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless! That makes no sense. “Perseverance” of the Saints is more rightly called “Preservation of the Saints” or “Unconditional Eternal Security”, since God “preserves them” and since there is nothing they can do to “lose their salvation”. As you can see, none of these ECF’s believed in any form of “Once Saved, Always Saved” or “Perseverance of the Saints”. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. But, can we snatch ourselves out of Jesus' hand? And we need to take the silk gloves off and earnestly contend for the faith. Jude 3 says, “Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” If this verse it to have any meaning at all, we should be able to see some form of Calvinistic soteriology in the Early Church Father’s writings. Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share. Each side sometimes misrepresents the other's position. (John 10:27-28). Not so. You will not find it in Patristic writings insofar as I am aware and insofar as Orthodoxy teaches and has always taught. “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. Predestination is another controversial topic within the Christian church. great stuff – attack each point (letter) using the ECF’s battles against Gnosticism! In 2:7-11 is where John writes about a new commandment--about loving your brother and walking in the light rather than darkness.
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