I really don’t understand the hate….just arrogant and elitist IMO. That being said, it is a pistol round primarily that has rifle like performance at short ranges, and too many tried to exceed these parameters when the deployed our troops in Korea where the combat ranges were far exceeding the little carbine’s abilities. The AK family, on the other hand...is a little more complicated. Some people insist on running a rifle or AR-style set up though for various reasons. Well, that’s interesting. In reality, "AR vs AK" in some sort of post-apocalyptic scenario...is actually ridiculous. Almost everyone can shoot an AR pistol more accurately than a standard small pistol…once they give it a try. Room clearing with a 20″ isn’t as effective. We also offer plenty of ways to personalize your firearm with our collection of, Find the perfect brace for your custom build. And before you say it, I don’t think I can get away with buying both, the wife always knows! Arsenal products are extremely high quality, but the proliferation of AR builders has brought Eugene Stoner’s plastic fantastic down to almost loss-leader prices. -Collapsing/folding stocks, or short LOP braces. Though I think SBR’s/SBS’s & suppressors should be removed from the NFA. Just about anybody can do it. ARs have a maximum effective range of about 800 yards and beyond. AKs on the other hand would need some drilling to put on an ACE or Stormwerkz adapter or even more work to replace the rear trunnion with a standard or folding AK trunnion and stock. Too fast. Thanks to pistol braces a whole new class of firearm is entering the public consciousness. LAS VEGAS, NV As part of the consolidation of its product line-up and trimming certain models, Arsenal, Inc. is phasing out the SAM7K and SLR-106UR Pistol models. Now the space alien invasion thing IS REAL, so by all means we should all get a level III blaster ASAP. Not to mention that 7n6 surplus is great ammunition that is coming in at under .25 cents per round. Century. Yes, there is a reason….mainly a middle finger to the ATF and NFA of 1934. Having a pistol caliber carbine or little AR pistol chambered in 9mm or 45 ACP isn’t a bad option for inside the home. I think its moreso that 40 years of NFA law has codified the idea that there is nothing in between the two – it HAS to be either a pistol OR a rifle. In terms of efficacy, AR vs AK for home defense is a stupid debate to have, because the standard.223 Remington/5.56mm NATO and 7.62x39mm are very effective at short range. It would be interesting to run an SBR and similarly configured SB equipped pistol to test the “it’s only a range toy” theory. I don’t know that it reeks of snobbery, but it sure does reek of not having shot a 9″ 300 BLK suppressed pistol, shooting 205 or 220 grain loads, on a dynamic range. people want a cheap AK, not a good one and B.) The Russian gun operates with a long-stroke piston. And they got away with 2nd amemdnemt violations for 80 years now, so why not use it against you in court? Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. The SAM7K for instance, costs $1k+ and is based on a heavy milled receiver that weighs at least 2lbs more compared to anything close to its size. They’re quiet….very quiet with a can. Most orders ship within 24 hours (excludes firearms). As a tool of self defense they have plenty of uses. But my tastes tend toward minimalism in style and a functional justification for anything that costs more than $500. Check out CNC Warrior. AR pistols are a little less useful since they do not fold and most commercially available 5.56 rounds suck out of short barrels. Makes NO sense. This model is a recipe for failure in a fiscal sense no matter whether this is government or business. I find it distasteful the disdain that these with a brace get from the ‘just get a stamp’ crowd. This is where most of my 300BLK converts are made. Yes of course it has a place. You can get a little more legs on 6.8 SPC, but it starts to falter past 300 yards compared to full-power rifle cartridges. Some of Arsenal’s other discontinued AK pistols are 5.56. 300 Blackout or a . Too often in history we have seen the, “if it fires bullets, we will use it”, mentality and that leads to some really bad things. The AR platform lends itself to greater potential accuracy, with a very well-built rifle, quality ammunition, the right optics and a skilled shooter, but not all AR platform rifles necessarily are. In a down market, the product has to drive demand not just the Democrat in charge of the pipe line…, My M92 has been a real treat now for more than a year. These kinds of stories/questions are always fraught with controversy and you will find many arguments pro and con any particular weapon/caliber combination, but I have to say I have been puzzled by the opinions regarding .30 carbine. Anticipate getting into gun battles with roving gangs of...whomever? Thus I haven’t gotten around to buying one, and (with one possible exception,) probably won’t have a reason ever to do so. It’s inarguable that either 762X39 or 300blk would be better, and arguably even a PCC, might be more feasible for a sub 10″ barrel. Works equally well with a five-round mag or a 100-round drum, although it looks FAR cooler with the latter. Simplicity is difficult.” In fact, Kalashnikov’s original designs were too complex, and the team made hundreds of modifications before the final design. The AR is more complicated than the AK, but its ergonomics are much better. Ian over at InRangeTV ran a match with an AK pistol and the added muzzle blast SLOWED HIM DOWN. You can’t make an effective subsonic 5.56. It’s just Arsenal did not do a great job of bringing in pistols that are somewhat close to the military rifles they are based on. Why you include AR-15s in the title of this article if they are still flying off the shelves? Six major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. Maybe it's because they watched too much of "The Walking Dead." But I’d only buy an AR/AK pistol AFTER I’ve chosen what my standard rifle caliber is, I chose an AR as primary rifle, and 9mm as standard pistol, so I can buy bulk and use for all my needs. Pistol versions of AR-15’s and MP5’s are still flying off the shelves, but AK’s aren’t moving. But not everyone has a .223/5.56mm rifle for home defense; plenty of folks have moved to .300 Blackout and other calibers that can fit the AR-15. на здоро́вье. That, in my opinion is not the signature of a weak caliber. Only the crsppiest parts-kit AKs were ever that cheap, and they were garbage. Just got done building a pistol with a 7" barrel and brace. No way man. Reduction of inventory doesn’t encourage me. So you hang out with people who can’t shoot. McKee can be reached at www.shootrite.org. But, it would be nice if they offered a no gunsmithing option if you want a SBR and a useable pistol with a side folding brace if you don’t. Critical components with tight tolerances are not made to be disassembled unless absolutely necessary. Everyone has brought up some very good points. I agree, but this just reinforces the general point that demand for these pistols doesn’t have to do with their utility, and instead is driven by the current (contradictory, confusing, and ludicrous) state of American firearms laws. I’ve been shooting the Gorilla Silverback 205’s, for example. We’ll just have to wait for a conclusive answer. LAW Tactical folding stock adapter, DOLOS quick detach barrel. Ballistically, It’s still lets 556 tumble/fragment, out to maybe 35-50 yards, and for me that’s fine. You’ll have to pardon us for being wary of a gov agency which makes laws based on their own whims, rather than any kind of representative legislative process. Well a friend of mine has both. Possible explanation #1: the rifle-turned-pistol market just isn’t big enough to sustain a major product line, let alone nine separate SKUs. No? I like mine too. That alone gives me reason to question the AK pistol. The ak pistol lives! As a poor vet, I can chose to use a more compact ar-15 style rifle. Instead of a carry handle, the upper has Picatinny rail on top to attach various sights. If you’re really in trouble you won’t notice the difference between a stock and a support or padded action spring tube. Personally, the only good place for this weapon is to arm aircrews or tankers with something more than a service pistol . I personally don’t know anyone who has gone out and bought a complete pistol pattern firearm. WWII was the catalyst for both weapons. Remove the barrel nut, and the barrel can be simply removed from the bushing. You probably aren't going to live very long. And now with the “brace” I don’t have to bribe the feds to exercise that right. So, both work at moderate range, but aren't great at long range. That may be the key difference. That is the reality of the current consumer environment. Bring it on, Bond baby. There are MANY reasons that the pistol brace is a viable option, not something that derives from the weapons integrity a la a slidefire etc. Are you that guy who never cleans his guns? The AK-47 fires a 7.69×39 round (the AK-74, an updated version of the classic, fires the 5.45×39 caliber). It will group 6 inches or so at 100 yards, with a maximum effective range of about 300 yards. AR/AK Pistols. What am I gonna do with all these neon green P-Mags and biohazard stickers? The original design used stamped and welded receivers, with furniture made from birch wood laminate, which is cheap and durable. maybe, its the VALUE of their products that’s driving demand for their products… Just like any thing less, others don’t have a demand issue because their product has more value then its price. O the dependence on scope or red dot versus 3-dot? I like the caliber, and the variety of loads, so I gave up on .30 carbine and 45 acp as alternative calibers. There was no more trench warfare — the Germans had launched the “Blitzkrieg,” or “lightning war.” This principle relied on tanks, artillery and aircraft, and plenty of ground troops to smash through the enemy, overwhelming their defenses. Oh, here, you want to try it? (2) An operator operating operationally needs cool tools for school. Did you just drop a Yo Gabba Gabba reference on a gun forum? This^^^ 921 (a) (8), an SBR is “a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.” Thanks to the National Firearms Act, legally owning an SBR in this country requires the citizenry to supplicate themselves to los federales for approval, and as of this writing, the ATF is taking anywhere from 180-280 days from start to finish to get things squared away.
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